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Shoot The Breeze / Re: My Friend FRANK
« on: January 13, 2013, 03:49:52 AM »
Well, I haven't heard this word apply to me, remission! I met with the radiologist yesterday, Jan. 11, & she uttered that word. The last two psa reading were 0.01 down from 13.82. It is awesome news!!! It can pop up again, but it's coming up to 3 years & everything is going in the right direction. Another step in this process is to have the hormone medication leave my system. I did not get a definite answer to that question, but in general a few months.
Thanks for the support, it's huge!!!
It shows in your drives lately Frankie!

There will be a free ctp on every hole except 16 first round. 16 will have a free long distance ctp and must be in fairway. Holes 15 and 17 will be for $10 cash. Me and Aaron worked together on something a little different with the ctps this year. The sponsor sign that is on top of the tee post will be that sponsors prize you win on that hole. You will see $$ on top of tee posts 15 and 17. Everyone is eligible for all ctps. Hole 1 will be different because Bald Eagle get's that perch. Tackle boxes for both rounds will be won for the ctps on hole 1 courtesy of Plano Molding. Hope every one has a great time and don't forget the cold is coming in Saturday afternoon. Be prepared!
This is non sanctioned so yes you can buy mulligans. Bring extra money. Thanks for supporting a great cause!


how much is it to play and what time? Me and a friend would like to come play

WHERE: Eagle Ridge Park  Oswego, Illinois

WHEN: January 12Th 2013. Registration opens at 8am. Tee off around 9am.

FORMAT: Two round of singles with a free lunch in between rounds. First round 18 holes, second round 9 holes. Raffle for everyone.
Tyler Williams brings the best Chili of all ICE BOWLS! Come and get it!

DONATION: 2 Canned goods. Plus $15 for Juniors, $30 Am's, $40 Pro.

Whole community is encouraged and invited to play or watch this great event. NO WIMPS OR WHINERS!


J-Town Ice Bowl / Re: J-Town 4th Annual Ice Bowl (2013)
« on: January 03, 2013, 03:46:44 PM »
I imagine its only 25% because its sanctioned and have to cover fees.
That makes perfect sense.  ;)

Equipment / Prodigy Discs
« on: January 02, 2013, 04:10:24 AM »

Shoot The Breeze / Re: Merry Christmas!!! 2012
« on: December 31, 2012, 08:33:40 PM »
Happy New Year J-Town! Frankie I love You Man!!!

J-Town Ice Bowl / Re: J-Town 4th Annual Ice Bowl (2013)
« on: December 30, 2012, 08:49:38 AM »
What:  J-Town 4th Annual Ice Bowl (PDGA C-Tier)
Where:  Community Park, Channahon, IL
When:  Saturday, February 9th, 2013

Division     Entry     PDGA Member
Discount Fee
Open (MPO)     $50.00     $40.00     
Pro Women (FPO)     $50.00     $40.00     
Pro Master (MPM)     $50.00     $40.00     
Advanced (MA1)     $40.00     $30.00     
Advanced Women (FA1)     $40.00     $30.00     
Advanced Master (MM1)     $40.00     $30.00     
Intermediate (MA2)     $40.00     $30.00     
Recreational (MA3)     $40.00     $30.00     
Novice (MA4)     $40.00     $30.00     
Junior <19 (MJ1)     $15.00     $15.00     

Ace Fund: $5 (Optional)
50/50 CTP: $5  (Optional)
* In the event that no eligible players hit an ace, the ace fund will be donated to the Morning Star Mission.
* 50% of the CTP fund will be donated to the Morning Star Mission.

All Players must bring 2 non-perishable food items or $5 donation.

All Players who sign up the day of the tournament will be subject to a $5 fee.

Approx 25% of entry fees will be donated to the Morning Star Mission.

First Place winners will receive trophies.

Raffle tickets for sale for prizes.

Free chili, coffee, and hot chocolate.

Registration: 7:30 - 8:30   
Players Meeting: 8:45
First Round Tee Time:  9:00

2 Rounds, 18 Holes Short Tees

Field limited to 90 players.
Pre-registration options include online registration through the PDGA, in person at J-Town Bag Tags, or by mail to:
J-Town Disc Golf Club
P.O. Box 311
Elwood, IL  60421
I like the 50% to mission on ctp, 25% of entry fees seems a little small but you guys got a great attendance record in J-Town. I'll be there to support your great cause!

Wow, looks like it's going to be a fantastic Ice Bowl up there! I will definitely make every effort to come up and support you guys!

Just as long as you come down and support J-Towns Ice Bowl in February (which I know you will, Blaine!)
I'll be there too.... Invitations to the house Frank built will always be kept!


« on: December 19, 2012, 07:43:46 AM »
The Fox Valley Metro Disc Golf Clubs 7th Annual Ice Bowl has added a few things this year to help the players cope with the elements. We are pleased to announce that the Oswegoland Park District is offering the Civic Center for our use. That means while your playing your round we will be baking some home made corn bread to go along with Tyler Williams famous chili. There will be many free ctps to win and many great prizes in the raffle. Please mark down January 12th on your calendar to help support the less fortunate. Here's a list of prizes you can win with many more on the way! Thank You to all sponsors!!

Aaron Scott - 1st place trophies
Blaine Schepp - Glo Champ Boss (Homie stamp)
Blaine Schepp - Champion Roc 2008-#0640 (Still in packaging)
Famous Daves Barbecue - $25 Gift Card
Kendall 10 Theatre - Coupons for popcorn and drink (5)
TGI Fridays - Free Appetizers (9)
America Inn Lodge & Suites Oswego - Free nights stay
Cedardell Golf Course - Free Round for 2 people with cart
Plano YMCA - Free sign up and 2 free months ($132 value + $50 sports program)
Suzy's Pizza - Large Two topping Pizza
7-11 - 44 Free 12oz. Slushes for Kids.
Parkside Lanes - Free Glow Bowl Party for 10. ($250 value)
WOW 7 Cinema - Free Movie Passes (2)
Plano Liquors and Wine - Bottle of Orange Vodka
Montgomery Popcorn Company - $5 coupons for popcorn (5)
Buffalo Wild Wings - Sauces for Wings
A-1 Liquors - Bottle of Gato Blanco Wine
Jimmy Johns - 15 piece platter and 3 Free Sandwich Gift Cards
Freemans Sports - Canoe Trip for two
Paradise Car Wash - One Free (The Works) Car Wash
Whitetail Ridge Golf Course - Foursome w/cart ($200 value)
Woodmans Store - $25 Gift Card
Chicago Cubs - 2 tickets to game.
Chicago White Sox - Tyler Flowers autograghed photo (Adam Luxich)
Straight 2 You Detailing (Andy Swann) - 2-$100 gift certificates
Tyler Williams - Best Ice Bowl Chili in World
Joyce and Jim Frankino - Bears package! ($200 Value)
Mike Gossett - 2 discs
Ryan Stilson - 3 discs and Golf Chair
John Cleavland - White Sox package, excersize ball with poster, 2 lb. pilate balls 2/pk
Caseys General Store - 5 Pizza Coupons
Tafe Hemler - 2 discs
Ron Miller - LA Fitness passes
Hampton Inn - One free nights stay
Holiday Inn - Two free nights
Scottys Bar and Grill - $10, $20, $30 gift certificates
Vitamin Shoppe - Competative Pak worth around $100
Hollywood Casino - Pass for 2 to the Epic Buffet
Chicago Wolves - 2 free tickets to a game
Chicago Sky - 4 tickets and a shirt
Target Superstore - 2-$25 Gift cards

Shoot The Breeze / Re: Merry Christmas!!! 2012
« on: December 06, 2012, 02:08:56 AM »
Have a Merry Christmas & a super holiday season my disc golf friends!!!

And a Merry Christmas to you too Brother!


J-Town Disc Golf Club / Re: Weekly Bag Tag Challenge
« on: November 26, 2012, 04:06:49 AM »
Course: Round Barn Manhattan
Tees:  Modified Red (3,4,5, short)


Name     Tag In     Score     Tag Out
Kyle  Anderson     144     53     79
Sy Spencer     113     56     104
Ryan Fancher     107     57     110
Frank Grimes     104     58     112
Ishmael Ochoa     118     58     113
Tyler Gubser     110     59     114
Jeremiah Bly     115     60     115
Kevin Schramm     112     61     116
Shawn McCarthy     114     63     117
Aaron Studer     117     63     118
Michael Flynn     141     63     124
Brad McCarthy     116     64     127
Todd Bly     124     68     141
Kristi McCarthy     127     68     143
Cody Schnook     143     68     144

Dr. Sy Spencer gets the CTP on #9 for $14.
Ishmael Ochoa gets the CTP on #1 for the Aces and Chains gift card. 
$13 added to the ace pot. 

We now have a second ace pot.  First 1 will sit at $50 until the second pot hits $50.  $5 now in the second pot. 

Thanks again to Aces and Chains for the gift card.  Support your local disc golf store! 

Next week:  Highland Park, White Tees. 

C'mon out ALL 2012 bag tag holders and support your own club!
How does that old man kick all those young guns butt?
           Lookout! The World Champion is making his comeback!

Shoot The Breeze / Re: My Friend FRANK
« on: November 24, 2012, 12:38:32 PM »
"I've got to work on getting my energy back."
This coming from the man that puts more work into our courses than all of us AND the park districts combined!
Rock on Sodfather!
So true Tafe. He's planning on a bench Thursday. Never ending love!

Shoot The Breeze / Re: Grow the Sport
« on: October 25, 2012, 06:11:07 AM »

Who are you watching?
At the top level of disc golf, an interesting phenomenon is happening. Our top players save up some initial gas money and go on tour. After a couple years "touring", there is less money in the savings account than when they started. These players scrape by, but the road is a hard and unforgiving mistress. A minor injury, which knocks them out of the cash for a few weeks, knocks them off the tour. If disc golf is lucky, they save up some money and give it another try.

Top players are unable to make touring their career, which means that the players that I want to root for - the ones that toured for a couple years and I am starting to know and like - are no longer on the tour. We constantly talk about the youth movement in our sport and how the younger players are winning more and more championships. The reason this is the case is because there are not dozens of seasoned players for them to be competing against.

When Andre Agassi won his first championship, no one knew who he was. He had to establish himself, grow his name, and get some fans. Imagine tuning in to a tennis match against two players that you have never heard of. You would not do it unless you were a hardcore fan. That is where disc golf is. We've got the hardcore fans watching, but for casual players, it is tough to root for someone you've never heard of. We need our top pros to be able to have a realistic expectation of making a career out of playing disc golf on tour so that we, and the casual fans, will have a reason to tune in and watch.
Watch. And grow the sport.
The numbers of people playing disc golf continue to grow at a 10-to-20% rate. The sport is experiencing tremendous grassroots growth and I expect, at this point, it is an engine that will not stop. Vibram Disc Golf will continue our support of the myriad of grassroots promoters. The engine that drives the top end of the sport, however, has been languishing over the past five years or so. The solution to this is eyeballs. People ask why disc golf is not on ESPN. The answer is eyeballs, or lack thereof.

If we want to kaboom the sport, we need people to watch. If we want people to watch the sport, we need to have the sport's best playing at our top events week in and week out, for many years. In order for our best players to compete at the premier events, they need to be able to earn a decent living doing so. It is expensive to travel for 20 to 30 weeks playing disc golf and we can't expect someone to leave their job to play disc golf, no matter how good they are. I am reminded of Nate Doss, AFTER winning the World Championship, needing to take some time to determine if he wanted to play disc golf professionally. That should speak volumes to us.

In order to get eyeballs, we need to have our best players on the course, week in and week out. In order to do this, we need at least ten events with a flattened payout of $50,000 AND these events need to have only two divisions: MPO and FPO. There are three numbers in that sentence which I would like to explain.
Ten events: In order for someone to commit themselves to playing the sport, they need to earn a living. If you can earn $1,000 per event over 10 events, then this money combined with sponsorship income and money earned at other events would be enough to allow someone to earn a decent living on tour.
Flattened $50,000: With a smart payout of $50K (see chart to the right), the top 40 players who are paid will earn an average of $1,000. That's 40 players earning $1,000 per event at 10 events. Our sport is currently stagnated at 20-25 players earning that amount. We could double this just by spending current money more wisely (see "Is the USDGC good for the sport?" below).
MPO and FPO only: In order for our sport's top players to be the ones that earn the money, these 10 events can't afford to have age-protected divisions, otherwise the money gets divided up and the sport's best don't earn enough to eat. If a player is over 40 and they are one of the best, this setup will benefit them as the sport will be able to grow. It may be a short term setback for the Masters-aged pros, but it will be a long-term gain for them and the sport.
One thing to remember here is the goal. We want the best players in the world to be able to commit to playing the sport. We want them playing so that the masses will want to watch the sports top events. As the numbers of people that watch our sport grow, the interest in advertising during these events will grow.

With a flat deep payout, more players earn more money. With a capped field of 120 MPO players and 50 cashing, this gives an incentive to compete because regional pros and top Ams have a real shot.
Since the season is not complete, 2012 is an estimate.
Why have we stagnated?
The growth of professional disc golf has stagnated. This has happened, for the most part, because of the creation of unsustainable models.
2009, Discraft stopped its sponsorship of the Players Cup, causing a dip in the number of players earning more than $10K. Luckily, Vibram was able to step up and give the event its rebirth.
2011, Innova changed the USDGC to a handicapped event, lowering the payout by more than $75,000, and lowering the number of players earning more than $10K.
2004 - 2011, Discraft Great Lakes Open payout went from $22K to a little more than $1,000.
The USDGC (Innova) and The Memorial (Discraft) are still two of the sport's premier events. However, Discraft and Innova do not welcome support from other manufacturers at their signature events and this has apparently made some of these events financially unsustainable.
Even with these pull backs, the pro tour side of the sport is still not shrinking and may be growing, albeit slowly.
DiscGolfPlanet.TV is building a model to bring the sport to tens of thousands of viewers. As their viewership continues to rise, more and more advertisers who are currently outside of the sport will take notice. Over time, these advertising dollars will find their way to the events and the purses will go up. This is the long play that will bring disc golf to the next level.
Vibram Disc Golf is consistently moving the Vibram Open forward, garnering more spectators, more players and a larger payout ($38K in 2008 to $51K in 2012). For comparison, the USDGC had fewer spectators, players and payout from 2008 to 2012.
Vibram has also stepped up to be the presenting sponsor of the PDGA National Tour and they reincarnated the Players Cup as The World Match Play Championship. We are putting a significant percentage of our marketing money into creating spectator friendly events that can capture the attention of the advertising dollars that are currently outside our sport.
The number of manufacturers of golf discs has risen from a half dozen in 2000 to more than 25 in 2012. They are here because they see a future in this sport. I agree with them.
Is the USDGC good for the sport?
The USDGC model is clearly not sustainable and, if the goal is to grow the sport, is an ineffective expenditure of the money. Having said that, it is Innova's money and they can spend it however they want, just don't let them say it is for the growth of the sport when it is actually just about them. Over the last decade, imagine if this money had been invested differently, could we be on TV already?
Five Top Events, sorted by Total Payout
Budget: Unknown
Payout: $97,000
MPO>$1K: 10
Budget: $62K
Payout: $51,000
MPO>$1K: 15
Budget: $250K
Payout: $50,300
MPO>$1K: 24
Budget: Unknown
Payout: $47,000
MPO>$1K: 9
Budget: $28K
Payout: $23,000
MPO>$1K: 4
Look at the numbers above. The USDGC spends $250,000 and in one short week, they've blown their wad. Let's pretend the USDGC was actually four $50,000 payout events (this assumes a similar budget as The Vibram Open, which has a $62K budget and a $51K payout to the players). With four mini-USDGCs, Worlds, the Vibram Open, and the Memorial, we are already up to seven $50,000 events. The Beaver State Fling ($33K) and Steady Ed Memorial ($29K) with a little growth, would make nine and The Players Cup ($23K payout with no payin) is a nice completion to the season. This would make a great foundation on which to build a pro tour. Anyone want to call Innova?

But this is not where we are and my guess is the USDGC is not going to be paired down so three additional premier events can be born, but hindsight is 20/20 and we have the advantage of looking at the last 10 years knowing the sport could have grown more.

Let's instead concentrate on looking forward. I would like to ask each disc golf manufacturer to commit to growing one or two events into premier events with a $50,000 payout. If we can get a dozen manufacturers, who are in the sport and will benefit from its growth, to make this commitment, then the sport will gain the eyeballs it needs to attract outside sponsorship and we will be able to watch DiscGolfPlanet.TV many more weekends out of the year. Furthermore, these events need to work together to schedule a cohesive tour around and across North America. It is too late for this to happen in 2013, but if you would like to commit to a 2014 event with a $50,000 payout and will work with the tour on scheduling, shoot me an e-mail.

I look forward to sitting in my armchair and watching the best in the world compete and when they come to a town near me, I'll go out and watch them play in person. Until then, Vibram Disc Golf will continue to push the envelope through our support of the Vibram Open, the Players Cup, the PDGA National Tour and the myriad of regional grass roots events that we sponsor.

Watch. And grow the sport. One man's thoughts on the future of disc golf.


Steven Dodge
Vibram Disc Golf

Update: I have had one manufacturer call me and commit to trying to make this happen for 2014. Anyone else in?
That was a lot to read. It they're looking for investors I wonder what the return is? I may be barking up the wrong tree. I'm promoting local courses, mainly Channahon. I have nothing to sell or promote. Nothing to get back for my time or money. I'm kind of of a Santa Claus to our area. If I give any more I'll be living in someones crawl space, not basement.  ;) I'd love to see disc golf on TV! Innova, discraft. Revolution, & many others need to step up.
You know what works for me? Hearing Randy laugh at my stupid stuff I say. We don't talk polotics anymore. :)  I've walked away more than once.
I wil continue to promote disc golf locally.
Money drives most businesses. Ams should be mentioned a little more where they fit in to make this work in my opinion but I'm not going political in this great game. I love getting benches, new trees, nice grass and flowers, Nice chips to walk on etc.....for Christmas. Thanks Santa! You are a legend Sodfather, no one, I mean no one could give as much to the game as you with such little return. For that I Thank You my Brother!! A book needs to be written.

Shoot The Breeze / Re: Gary Lewis Achievement Award
« on: October 05, 2012, 09:55:54 AM »
Congrats Darrin! That's quite a honor. Keep up the good work my friend.

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