I can bring a practice basket. It's nothing special, certainly not tournament quality, but I'll bring it.
I can bring a practice basket. It's nothing special, certainly not tournament quality, but I'll bring it.
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I appreciate your measured response. I'm very glad that we can have a discussion about this without starting a war on the message board. That is not my intent either.
Honestly, I was hurt by some of what you said in your first post. It bothered me. I wanted to post about the positive experience I had running the clinic. And now, this whole post just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I'd like to take this discussion off board and talk to you in person about it. That way, we can clear the air and hopefully avoid any further issues of this kind. I'll try to get in touch with you soon. At the very latest, we can talk at the dbls party on Saturday.
My thanks, and respect as always,
Yes, I understand that Frank. You have posted that elsewhere and we have all read it. I'm certainly not condoning that, and I don't like that it happened.
That does not mean, however, that I can't, or won't tell everyone if/when Jon does something good for the disc golf community. And I think it is a bad strategy to chime in here to make sure that you ruin any credit that he gets for helping me out with this clinic. For the record, I was in a bind after one instructor cancelled. If Jon had not been willing to volunteer with less than 24 hours notice, I would have had to run the clinic myself, with no experience doing so. Are you of the opinion that he should never be allowed to do any good for the community since that happened? Or is it just that you won't allow him to take credit for anything until he makes that right?
In either case, I would appreciate it if you would keep your negativity out of my positive posts. There is no reason for you to be pissing in my cornflakes here. Further, the tone of your post makes it sound as if I have, by extension, insulted you in some way by posting that. I take exception to that, and will defend my right to post here about the positive things that happen in the disc golf community.
I thought that you of all people would have respect for that.
Let's put this in a little perspective shall we?
I ran a disc golf clinic to help teach some young kids how to play disc golf and introduce them to the sport. This is supposed to be a good thing. I post about it here in a positive manner. And, as you taught me so well, I gave credit to the person who helped me out. The response I get from you is right there for everyone to read.
Now I ask you, was my post the proper forum for you to say that? How am I supposed to feel after reading that?
Or should you have respected the good I am trying to do in the community and left your negative comments for another day and another place where it would be more appropriate?
I know that a lot of people are going to side with you because of the great body of work you have done helping out with course prep and just a boat load of other great things for the community. Channahon is a beautiful course and much of that is a direct result of all your hard work. I also know that you are always there when J-town needs help with putting in concrete, or getting Highland ready for the tournament. I too am thankful for all the work that you have done. I am just asking that you respect my work in the community as well. And I don't think your post does that.....
I just wanted to officially thank Jon Boster for agreeing to help teach this clinic on short notice. I know he is unlikely to see this post, but others will. And I owe him thanks for being there to help me when I needed it.
The clinic went very well. The kids loved it, and by the end, all of the adults present wanted a go at it as well.
« on: October 06, 2010, 11:48:16 AM »
Thanks Ben. Also, my apologies for mispronouncing your last name. I found out how it's pronounced after we did the announcing. I'll get it right next time.
Footage was thanks to Jon Boster. I was actually playing in the Novice division that day.
We're going to try to keep getting footage of tournaments going forward. I have a really nice tripod now, so anything we tape from here on out will be nice and stable.
Jon and I did one of these clinics recently, and it went over very well. I would be more than happy to help out.
Vibram also sent me a box of putters to give away at the clinic, and quite frankly, they sent me way too many! Lol. So, I have extras that we can give away at any future clinic. I also have a number of DX drivers set aside now for that purpose that the participants can borrow for the duration of the clinic. They are gazelles, cheetahs, and 150 valks.
Shoot me an email at firstname.lastname@example.org and we can talk more about it.
« on: October 05, 2010, 09:14:26 PM »
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Just wanted to say that I had a blast Saturday, and a big thanks to Jesse, Darrin, Jason, Mike, Gary, Frank, and everyone else involved. It was a very smoothly run tournament. Great job guys!
While I'm at it, thanks for running the J-town doubles every week. While it's easier than a tournament, it's still a ton of work. And running it week in and week out without a break all spring/summer is amazing to me. I know a lot of players don't say much about it, but we all appreciate it!
I lost my tie dye Boss at Channahon yesterday. I think it was somewhere between hole 10 and hole 13. Threw an extra disc and forgot to pick up the Boss.
As usual, I will offer a disc in return if you find it. I'll be at the Channahon Classic on Saturday, or you call me at 815-993-DISC (3472) if you find it.
Sorry Barcas, but this is exactly what I disagree with when it comes to lost discs. Instead of offering a "punch in the face" for not returning it, how about offering a reward for it's return?
So many discs get lost and never returned. We need to encourage players to return discs.
Assuming that they kept it on purpose and threatening them with bodily harm is probably not going to be constructive.
If I see someone on the course with your disc, I will offer them one of mine in return and then I'll track you down to give it back to you. Now, if someone comes up to me and punches me in the face, I'm going to owe you the same in return.
I am trying to put together a teaching clinic for a group of scouts. Vibram has offered up to 24 factory seconds of their soon to be released disc to be given away to community groups. As a Vibram retailer, I have been offered this opportunity.
Anyone who would be interested in spending some time teaching some young scouts (probably 9-10 years old) how to play, please get in touch with me.
This is very early in the planning stages. I have an email out to a scout troop to see if they are interested. Once I get the go ahead from them, I'm going to reserve those discs from Vibram, and we can give each participant a free disc.
Thanks in advance,
"Do you think if you found someones car keys that you have a new car?"
Someone turned in a lost set of car keys to me once, but I was never able to find the car.........so I guess the answer is no to that one....
Seriously though, I agree 100%. I believe in making a good faith effort to return a lost item.
The first disc I ever got back was my tribal skull Valk. I loved that disc! Lost it at trinity on hole two when it went in the water. I took one look at the water and said to myself "Self, you are not going in there."
About a year later a guy came up to my table to turn in some used discs. He was bragging about all the discs he pulled out of the pond at Trinity and he fanned out a small pile of them. I saw my Valk in there. I pointed it out to him and asked him politely if he wouldn't mind giving it back to me in return for any disc from my pile, and he was happy to do so.
Personally, I would never have gone in that water to get my disc. This guy did me a huge favor by doing so. It was only right that I offer him something in return. Since then, I have followed that same idea whenever someone returns a disc to me.
I have personally experienced the lost and found that you and Blaine run. Got back one of my prized discs just before the last tournament at Oswego. Thanks again!
For those of you who don't know them, Blaine and Christie are fantastic people. When I caught up with them to get my disc, they were busy helping out the TD to get the course ready for the tournament. Both of them are super nice people!
Well, I'm glad you thanked him. I missed that....my apologies.
I'm sure he was planning on trading it in. That happens all the time. And, to answer your question to me, I would have taken it in trade. I do, however, return discs to people from my bin when I can. Especially when I know the person trading it in is not the person on the disc, though that is tough to determine sometimes. I have been known to call the number on a disc just to see if the person wants it back. I have returned about half a dozen discs this way, including one worth about $50.
I agree with you that he should have tried the email addy. I know I always do.
And, just to be clear, this was not a post that was meant to be directed at you. I was just using the most recent example in my memory to make my point.
I certainly don't want to make this post about you. I want EVERYONE to think about how they view lost discs, both those that get returned to you, and those that you find. And I stand by my statement that if a player loses a disc, it no longer belongs to them. They do not have a right to demand it back if the person does not want to give it up. And they certainly don't have the right to beat someone up over it (I have overheard threats regarding lost discs in the past.)
On the other hand, I would hope that all players feel some obligation to return a lost disc whenever possible. If the players name and phone number is on it, there is no excuse not to try.
I'm glad you responded and I'm really glad you thanked the guy. That is so important. Anything we can all do to encourage positive behavior in the disc golf community is a plus. And once again, sorry I didn't hear that, and sorry I used you as an example.