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Re: Worlds Smoking Ban
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2011, 09:30:38 AM »
As far as it bothering other players, I believe it is common courtesy at tournaments to ask your fellow players before lighting up. That, in itself, should be enough without making a rule against it.

I'm with Frank on this one. While I won't be affected by the ban, I am all for protecting personal freedoms. I see this as a slippery slope leading to a more uptight sport.............which basically takes away everything I like about playing.

Just one man's opinion, and I certainly won't slam anyone who believes otherwise.....
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2011, 08:49:19 PM »
What are you telling me Patrick? You're typically against me? That's OK. There is no reason to me besides polotics. Like I mentioned earlier, it's a courtesy violation to leave butts. From my experience, once I gag, the smokers typically go down wind. I'm an ex cigarette smoker of 41 years, but good grief!, give the smokers a break, outside, in open areas? If smoking was illeagle, different argument.
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Re: Worlds Smoking Ban
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2011, 09:08:17 PM »
 Frank Next time we play with Randy get us a box of cigars so we can smoke the whole round.
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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2011, 09:32:51 PM »
Ha, Ha, Ha, can't stop chuckling. You got it, I'll buy! I like the the big fat suckers. It'll be fun!
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Re: Worlds Smoking Ban
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2011, 08:30:44 AM »
"What are you telling me Patrick? You're typically against me?"

Lol Frank! Only if we're playing in the same division.....

I think I put it that way because we are polar opposites politically. Or at least, I thought so until I saw this post. Little did I know you were a closet Liberal!

Just kidding Frank. Seriously, every American should be for personal freedom as long as it doesn't harm others. Smoking outside? I find it hard to make a strong argument for a ban on smoking. Cigarette butts are a huge nuisance......I hate them. But, I don't have a problem with smoking them, just leaving them everywhere. And we have a rule against that already.

Lest it get lost in the shuffle, there is a very good reason for the ban in San Diego. Forest fires are serious business, and banning smoking for that reason is something I fully support. But when you add the ban for the New York event, it becomes a completely different discussion.

Speaking of turning Liberal Frank, should I add your email to the MoveOn list? You'll get some great political emails that are sure to make you "chuckle."
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Re: Worlds Smoking Ban
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2011, 02:32:30 PM »
Break out the Spittoons! They’re making a comeback!
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Re: Worlds Smoking Ban
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2011, 12:46:13 PM »
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Re: Worlds Smoking Ban
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2011, 08:38:19 PM »
2012 Smoking Ban Policy.

http://www.pdga.com/announcements/2012-smoking-policy?s=ecaf93f1747d25185bed259ddfb60135
Here we go again, I read that last week. Lets phrase it differently, a non smoking policy, aaah, not a smoking ban. .What a bunch of crap. Sorry Rebecca.
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Re: Worlds Smoking Ban
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2011, 12:41:36 PM »
This is just my opinion.

To me, this all comes down to the saying "perception is more important than reality."

I hate that saying.

And so, the PDGA board wants disc golf to "look good" in the eyes of others. Presumably, they want disc golf to have a better rep so the sport will grow bigger. That is the real reason for the ban, and more to the point, the reason a lot of people will support the ban.

We aren't really trying to stop smoking. No, we're just trying to hide the fact that we do so everyone will look up to us and say....."hey, there's a nice sport to play and/or watch."

It certainly isn't about the cigarette butts. I can promise you that. (Though not having them on the course would be a very welcome side effect.)

I don't smoke, and I don't like cigarette smoke one bit. But that doesn't mean I agree with a ban of smoking, while outdoors nonetheless!

And this is why I shy away from most of the conversations about making the sport bigger. Most people I talk to begin to think in terms of making the sport "look better" by mandating collared shirts, smoking bans, and ideas like that.

If we are going to talk about "looking better" in the eyes of the public, then we should instead concentrate on real concrete ways of improving our image that are based in fact, not in perception.

Improving our courses thru hard work and donations, helping the community (Ice bowl), and bringing new people into the sport are all ways to improve how we are perceived without giving up our freedoms. I could name off a dozen people from the area who do just that, without breaking a sweat. A hearty thank you, from me, to everyone who does. That is, in my opinion, the proper way to be a good role model for the community, and to increase the positive vibes for disc golf as a whole.

A smoking ban? Bah!

I once asked my Mom about the saying "Perception is more important than reality" and she said....

"It sounds like somebody's lying!"

Trust a Mom to put things in their proper perspective.
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Re: Worlds Smoking Ban
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2011, 09:05:13 PM »
I heard something on the radio about asking the MLB players union, to ban players from chewing during World Series play. Dick Durbin, (Illinois) Frank Lautenberg, Richard Blumrnthal, & Tom Harkin all senators, wrote letters to the MLB players union.
First I cannot stand cigarette smoke & at times I gag. To be clear, I can gag without the smoke. I quit smoking Christmas 1970, & it's repulsive to me. Cigars & the wacky tobacco are not. Huh!?
It freaks me out that our freedoms  are being taken away. A little here & a little there. I realize it's not healthy, but I used to think we had choices. Liquor for example. I wonder if that's abused? Why pick on tobacco? Look at the old movies, they all smoked. Maybe Paladin, & Matt Dillion didn't.
Keep in mind my point of view comes from the late 60's. Also note I chew, or suck, I'm on the pouches.
Your so good for my blood pressure problem Jesse.  :P
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« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2011, 07:28:05 AM »
Your so good for my blood pressure problem Jesse.  :P

You mean the PDGA. Now lets talk about Obama. Just Kidding! Love you Paco!
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Re: Worlds Smoking Ban
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2011, 07:49:52 PM »
I heard something on the radio about asking the MLB players union, to ban players from chewing during World Series play. Dick Durbin, (Illinois) Frank Lautenberg, Richard Blumrnthal, & Tom Harkin all senators, wrote letters to the MLB players union.
First I cannot stand cigarette smoke & at times I gag. To be clear, I can gag without the smoke. I quit smoking Christmas 1970, & it's repulsive to me. Cigars & the wacky tobacco are not. Huh!?
It freaks me out that our freedoms  are being taken away. A little here & a little there. I realize it's not healthy, but I used to think we had choices. Liquor for example. I wonder if that's abused? Why pick on tobacco? Look at the old movies, they all smoked. Maybe Paladin, & Matt Dillion didn't.
Keep in mind my point of view comes from the late 60's. Also note I chew, or suck, I'm on the pouches.
Your so good for my blood pressure problem Jesse.  :P
Did you see it?!!! Top of the 1st, a batter in the on deck circle, had a mouth full.  ;D  So much for the letter from the idiot, Dick Durbin. Our country has problems & it's not tobacco. I'm not a fan of Mark Kirk either, Illinois senator. He voted for the carbon tax. Can you imagine being taxed for the air you exhale? This the change you can believe in. obama said that, he also said he campaigned in 57 states & had one more to go. The president of the United States said that! I could go on.
Your killing me Jesse. ;D
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